Posts Tagged ‘Casey Stengel’

According to the Associated Press, Ralph “The Major” Houk, passed away at the age of 90 this afternoon. The Yankees organization has taken another hit, as they’ve already been mourning the loss of Bob Sheppard and George M. Steinbrenner III.

Houk played for the New York Yankees from 1947-1954. A few years later, he became Casey Stengel’s successor as manager of the ball club. He managed the team from 1961–1963, and had a second stint from 1966–1973. He won two World Series championships as manager in 1961 & 1962, and won the 1963 AL pennant.

He also managed the Detroit Tigers (1974–1978) and Boston Red Sox (1981–1984). Ralph won 1,619 games during his 20-year career, which ranks 14th on the All-Time Managerial Wins list.

R.I.P. Ralph Houk

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Update: Vote in the poll located on the sidebar of the blog. The Question: Should Joe Torre’s #6 be retired in Monument Park?

On January 20th, I wrote this article on the Yankees’ retired numbers and their future. In the comments Rob Abruzzese from Bronx Baseball Daily (Check it out!) stated that he thought that the number 6 would be retired in the future for another person and not for Torre.

While what he said might happen, it got me thinking about Torre compared to Casey Stengel and Billy Martin’s time as managers. Below I have laid out all the important numbers for you to consider between these three managers.

Casey Stengel

Years W L % Pennants WS Titles
12 1149 696 .623 10 7

Joe Torre

Years W L % Pennants WS Titles
12 1173 767 .605 6 4

Billy Martin

Years W L % Pennants WS Titles
8 556 385 .591 2 1

Looking at the information above, outside of the enormous amount of World Series’ that Casey Stengel went to as a manager of the Yankees, Joe Torre compares to him quite well. Heck, even with the World Series and the AL Pennants considered, they are still comparable.

Considering Martin’s track record as a manager, I thought it might be a good idea to took a look at his stats in 7 years with the Yankees on the field. In previously stated time, he hit .262, 30 HRs and 188 RBIs, not too impressive if I do say so myself. Rob from Bronx Baseball Daily had another good point, maybe at one point, Steinbrenner went a little crazy with retiring of the numbers. If someone gave me his managerial numbers and his professional numbers and asked if this person deserved to have his number retired, I wouldn’t think twice about saying ‘No.’

However, when you look at Stengel’s numbers and compare them with Torre’s during their pinstriped tenure there is a striking similarity. Going even a little further, Stengel in his 12 years did not make the playoffs every year, while under Torre, the Yankees did. So, for those people who have said that Torre’s number shouldn’t be retired, ask yourself this: If Torre is comparable to Stengel, then why isn’t Torre given the same respect? Is it because of his book, The Yankees Years?

Now, I am not saying this man deserves a monument, but simply to have his number retired. In many years from now, when Torre’s name and his managerial record gets put in for Hall of Fame consideration and he gets voted into the Hall of Fame, people will begin to change their mind.

So, still I have one question, why is there so much push back for 6 being retired?

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In the Yankees’ long line of history, they have retired in total 16 numbers for 17 players (Including Jackie Robinson) which is far above any other team in Major League Baseball history and over the course of the next 5 years will be adding more numbers to the list. Below is the list of current retired numbers with the appropriately named player for those numbers.

1 – Billy Martin
3 – Babe Ruth
4 – Lou Gehrig
5 – Joe DiMaggio
7 – Mickey Mantle
8 – Bill Dickey and Yogi Berra
9 – Roger Maris
10 – Phil Rizzuto
15 – Thurman Munson
16 – Whitey Ford
23 – Don Mattingly
32 – Elston Howard
37 – Casey Stengel
44 – Reggie Jackson
42 – Jackie Robinson
49 – Ron Guidry

Now, in the next decade, give or take, the Yankees will be adding more numbers to the already historic list. Personally, I believe the Yankees will retire all the below listed numbers.

2 – Derek Jeter
6 – Joe Torre
20 – Jorge Posada
21 – Paul O’Neill
42 – Mariano Rivera
46 – Andy Pettitte
51 – Bernie Williams

When do I think all these numbers will be retired? Hard to tell. Derek and Mo’s numbers are a given to happen within the first year or two of retirement. However, I don’t think Torre’s number will be retired with Brian Cashman working in the organization considering their falling out, but crazier things have happened. There is something that tells me Bernie and Posada’s numbers might take a little bit longer, but will eventually join Mariano and Derek’s numbers in time. Another issue that will come up is whether or not Pettitte’s number should be retired due to his admitted use of HGH. Now, I believe what he has told us, so I don’t think he should be penalized for what he has done. I mean, the Yankees have brought him back the last two years, so obviously they don’t think it’s an issue.

So there is the potential for 23 numbers for 25 players to be retired in the next decade, give or take, which is kind of crazy, but after this group gets their just due, it won’t be for a while that another number gets retired.

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Lou GehrigRecently, the New York Daily News published their list of the All-World Series Yankees team. Looking over it, there is not much much debate at who should be on it, with the exception of one or two spots (Brosius vs Nettles, Larsen vs. Pettitte). Are you happy with this list? To see the full article click here.

Manager – Casey Stengel

C – Yogi Berra
1B – Lou Gehrig
2B – Billy Martin
SS – Derek Jeter
3B – Graig Nettles
OF – Mickey Mantle
OF – Babe Ruth
OF – Joe DiMaggio
DH – Reggie Jackson

SP – Whitey Ford
SP – Red Ruffing
SP – Allie Reynolds
SP – Walte Hoyt
SP – Don Larsen
CP – Mariano Rivera

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